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KE Concordat: Recognition and Rewards - Shared screen with speaker view
Amanda Selvaratnam
34:57
reconise the work load issue but we are grappling with the definiation as to what is good KE
Kirstie Cochrane
35:45
similar here at Essex Amanda, - the definition of high quality KE is a work in progress...
Mark Gray
35:53
Recognise all of those issues/opportunities. I don't think there is anything that comes as a surprise; that doesn't mean we do or will do all of those things.
Amanda Selvaratnam
36:06
we are thinking we made a different definition for each kind of KE
Louise Jones
36:43
What was your conclusion on whether academics actually value prizes/awards?
Kirstie Cochrane
36:51
Trying to come up with something that covers all of the different types of KE, including student engagement is really tricky
Sophie- Leeds Trinity University
37:00
That's an interesting idea Amanda- would that not perhaps confuse staff/academics if they're already uncertain on a main definition?
Shona Campbell
38:14
No conclusion on prizes, something we'd like to look into before investing further in awards. I have observed that some disciplines are over-represented in nominations which might suggest the value differs across an academic community
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
38:34
You've got to build the skills and capacity to get to the substantial work - v imp for ECR
Carole Barron
40:58
Within our Awards for KE and innovation we also recognise the contribution of our external partners. We do not hold these annually due to the length of projects and wanting to give applicants the opportunity to demonstrate outputs. We have in the past give rewards to non-KE PSD staff where they have taken forward innovative ideas as part of their work.
Andrea Henderson
41:00
Recognise these issues, thanks Shona. Completely agree that this is directly linked to research culture. Could I ask what colleagues experience of KE/Engagement being embedded within academic recruitment and promotions criteria. Also are there examples of professional services staff are rewarded and recognised for KE/Engagement.
Karim Sorefan
41:07
KE is included in our promotions process eg lecturer to senior lecturer. I would like to see our university to reward staff with spine point increases. This would be less costly for our university to implement and would allow smaller KE contributions to be rewarded.
Mark Gray
41:44
Must recognise that the key principle in HR reward systems of any kind of that they must be gathered field and must be fair - you can't exclude people from reward because they don't have the opportunity to deliver the outcome that would trigger that one reward without access to others. Hence reward for KE performance can't be isolated from the rest of the HE reward system.
Jo Birch
42:01
When the KEF Concordat was designed what were the committee thinking about when identifying reward and recognition as a key enabler @Greg
Andrea Henderson
42:49
Totally agree Helen!
Andrew Mackenzie
43:38
Here is a link to the report The Physiological Society did this January (with NCUB, PraxisAuril, GuildHE and others): https://static.physoc.org/app/uploads/2021/02/19094846/Translating-Knowledge-and-Research-into-Impact-Brochure_web.pdf
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
43:59
Thanks Andrew
Amanda Selvaratnam
44:35
@sophie agree re there is an issue regarding having several definitions of good KE - we may find there are some generic qualities such as professionalism and clear communication but finding the same relevant and specific metric to measure good student enterprise with KTPs for example may be difficualt - I am open to anyones ideas on how they are defining High Quality KE
Shona Campbell
45:17
Kingston are doing interesting work on EDI in KE
Kirstie Cochrane
45:18
Our KE Awards, specifically are around our KTP projects, they recognise the best collaboration, and the best associate and the most engaged academic etc. We run this annually, there is a 'plaque' and a video made of the winner and these are used for further promotion. We don't actually reward financially via this award ceremony. So that is our recognition, the reward happens via promotion criteria for academics,
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
45:32
It's also worth thinking about less formal reward and recognition eg staff profiles pieces, newsletter features etc we could encourage people to focus on the KE as well as their research
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
47:01
We stopped giving financial reward too, Kirstie. The recognition was the important aspect - certificates and a nice trophy were enough
Jennifer
47:29
Hello all, this is my first meeting, very interesting discussion, thank you. Tamsin, could you explain what RTTP is?
Kirstie Cochrane
47:32
yes a nice trophy is well received @helen
Louise Jones
47:32
I would say that KE is often judged and rewarded by the I, which can happen a long way down the road - not sure if that is the right approach or not
Evelyn Wilson
47:35
Yes really good point Helen. I think people really enjoy making wider contributions and writing is often one route by which this happens. Also being asked to contribute to events and to share their experiences and the like can also be a form of ‘reward’ in t’sown right.
Mark Gray
47:50
Worth reflecting on how far OTHER organisations recognise KE contribution - e.g. staff/student enterprise being celebrated in local authority business/enterprise competitions
Carole Barron
48:43
Sorry Myles I missed your deadline for the survey.
Katie O'Reilly-Boyles (Knowledge Exchange Officer)
49:36
Similar to what others have said, we have a "spotlight" for Public Engagement in our weekly staff bulletin, but would like to expand this more widely to KE
Greg.Wade
49:41
No problem Carole, we know colleagues are busy. There is no KEC naughty step !
Matthew Guest
49:57
I think there is something about the motivators for people involved in KE. What are the values that drive them to do the work? Is it due to their own work or the wider institution’s mission? Or something else? Eg meeting people. Can the tasks themselves become a form of reward?
Karim Sorefan
50:02
My academics don't ask about financial rewards, they ask if they can reduce their teaching/admin load if they do good KE.
Tamsin Mann
50:11
Of course Jennifer - RTTP is a global programme for people working in KE (or TT as the acronym has it). You can read more about it here https://www.praxisauril.org.uk/RTTP and there are profiles of some RTTP holders on our website too. It's not perfect but it's a starting point and I know some people get a lot our of the process. There might be a way to make it appeal more broadly in the UK KE context.
Jennifer
50:43
Great, thanks very much Tamsin
Mark Gray
55:56
Balance to be struck between reward/recognition of regular participants in KE and pump-priming new work with people new to KE work. Given the slim resource available in some HEIs, this may be the rate determining factor for any progress on reward.
Carole Barron
57:36
I think financial reward and/or spine increments is a challenge at this time given the greater financial challenges HE is facing at this time. We need to find other ways.
Kirstie Cochrane
59:14
Does any institution reward KE professional services staff for excellent delivery? I mean in a way that is not through your usual reward scheme?
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
59:18
We haven't mentioned funder support eg NERC's KE Fellowships - how we support colleagues to apply for these. Is this a form of reward??
Carole Barron
01:00:49
student KE is a growing area. Most students welcome the employability skills and development these types of activities provide.
Tamsin Mann
01:01:03
I definitely think that KE fellowship is s a form of recognition and reward Helen - it buys time and because it's a research council grant it legitimises the activity in terms of incorporating in workload.
Evelyn Wilson
01:01:20
It would be fascinating to do little mapping exercise to indicate the similarities and differences between how research is recognised and rewarded and how KE is recognised/rewarded. HAs anyone done such work already? It would be great to see if so.
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
01:01:37
Yes, I agree, Tamsin - I was more thinking about the support on offer to help academics apply.
Katie O'Reilly-Boyles (Knowledge Exchange Officer)
01:01:57
I agree, Steven - we feel that Research and KE have been artificially pushed apart and we're trying to push them back together, particularly with our Decolonisation Strategy
Louise Jones
01:02:03
That's how we would frame it too - it's most everything we do!
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
01:02:04
Different for different institutions
Mark Gray
01:02:31
Student KE *recognition* with us is quite well developed - prizes, publicity for their work, encouragement and support to shoot for external prizes/funding - but not sure we can use public resource to reward benefit that an HEI can't capture.
Matthew Guest
01:02:36
Provided you can access said fellowships. Often the challenge comes down to providing internal funding and support for such fellowships (POST’s being another fellowship)
Carole Barron
01:02:56
KE is talked about separately
Andrea Henderson
01:03:19
We have a very wide definition of engagement which includes KE and public engagement with a range of different publics/sectors
Janette Wark
01:03:50
I agree with Steven and this is a question that is funding and data/reporting driven
Carole Barron
01:04:03
It can also help if research and KE/innovation targets are separate.
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
01:04:34
We think about public engagement (which is a form of KE) as a way of doing research, rather than something extra. But, until people become skilled and confident it can feel different.
steven KYFFIN
01:05:23
non engage education…. mmm and non engaged Research… raises more questions too many!
Louise Jones
01:05:52
Slight aside - Is everyone building flexibility into HEIF plans to accommodate what comes out of action plans now and in the future? Or are you all getting action plans done at same time and building that into HEIF strategy?
Karim Sorefan
01:05:53
I think KE and research will become united in the future. but at the moment academics need separate encouragement because in general doesn't publish in high impact journals and is less intellectually challenging.
steven KYFFIN
01:06:25
Thanks Karim...
steven KYFFIN
01:06:52
Ok, Helen, different levels
Carole Barron
01:09:03
Louise Jones - this is a challenge as we are also writing our HEIF Accountability Statements covering the next few years. This has to be submitted before the Action Plans are submitted. It is a all change this year with competing deadlines and different priorities
Mark Gray
01:09:19
Reward to incentivise delivery is becoming inherently more complex. Robbins in 1966 suggested universities had 4 key mission areas: Darling in 1997 suggested 10; today I count over 20 articulated in strategies, SoS letters etc. If we have incentivise balanced outcomes for all of that lot we're on a hiding to nothing. Hard choices have to be made.
Mark Rushforth
01:09:34
we are definitely building this in Louise! world is constantly changing at the mo never mind the KEC!
steven KYFFIN
01:09:54
Thanks for that opportunity @Greg
bd285
01:10:17
Thanks Everyone!
Helen Featherstone (she/her) - Uni of Bath
01:10:18
Thanks everyone for a great conversation
Sahar Mansoori Zangir
01:10:20
thank you all
Karim Sorefan
01:10:21
thanks
Katie O'Reilly-Boyles (Knowledge Exchange Officer)
01:10:24
Thank you, team!! Really useful
Gabi Kent
01:10:28
Thank you
James Convery
01:10:29
Very helpful, thank you all.
Mark Rushforth
01:10:31
thanks all
Rachel Lowthian, University of Cumbria
01:10:31
thank you
Sarah
01:10:32
thank you
Ian Hutchinson
01:10:34
Thank you
Kathy Woods, UoC
01:10:36
Thank you